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XTIDE Universal BIOS v2.0.0 beta testing thread

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    Originally posted by Krille View Post
    I've just added support for the Silicon Valley Computer ADP50L controller. Anyone up for testing? See here for more info.

    Thanks to Great Hierophant for providing the original BIOS!
    I'd love to test it, but unfortunately I have neither burner nor eraser. Anyone willing to help me out by shipping me a burmed EPROM? I'll pay for shipping and chip.
    My Retro Computing and Vintage Gaming Blog : http://nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/

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      Is it possible for a version that can be loaded from a floppy or some other method other than burning it?
      Does it expect a clean, dos free environment to start from?

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        Originally posted by TheLazy1 View Post
        Is it possible for a version that can be loaded from a floppy or some other method other than burning it?
        No at the moment. I've been thinking of overlay version for a while but I have no idea if I ever have time to do it. It should be easier to load it from floppy but it would require 9k of conventional memory so it is not very practical. At least it would offer a way to try it before getting necessary hardware to load it from ROM.

        Does it expect a clean, dos free environment to start from?
        Yes. All initialization and drive detection must be done before booting any operating system.

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        Actually no, the easy floppy method would be to make DOS boot disk and a small program to load XTIDE Universal BIOS to top of conventional memory. Then the initialization and drive detection routine would be called and eventually DOS would be loaded again. I can't think of any reason why that would not work, unless DOS would detect it is already loaded. But the utility could clear all RAM areas not used by BIOS to get around that.
        Last edited by aitotat; June 8, 2013, 02:28 AM.

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          Just upgraded my XT 5160 with XT-IDE V1 card to R558, Bios detects Master drive but just hangs at detecting Slave, I don't have a slave drive fitted. Just the one hard drive. I left it for a few minutes then switched off and reverted back to older revision.

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            Originally posted by Malc View Post
            Just upgraded my XT 5160 with XT-IDE V1 card to R558, Bios detects Master drive but just hangs at detecting Slave
            Did you try r557? I know I didn't have any slave drive related problems with it as I've tested it with 2 and 3 master drives without any slaves.

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              Yes and got the same results but didn't go back any further, I've not upgraded in a while, Been using R524, I'll go through them sometime today and see where it stopped working for me.

              Edit:
              Not done extensive testing but R550 seem's to work fine.
              R551 - Is slow at detecting "Slave" if no slave drive fitted, took about 15 seconds to detect no slave was fitted and then went on to boot, I fitted a slave drive and it was detected instantly and went on to boot.
              R552 > R558 just hung at detecting slave if no slave fitted, I fitted a slave drive and it was detected instantly and went on to boot.

              New version R559 seem's to be working fine ie: detects no slave fitted instantly and goes on to boot

              Originally posted by aitotat View Post
              Did you try r557?
              Last edited by Malc; June 24, 2013, 07:12 AM.

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                Originally posted by Great Hierophant View Post
                I'd love to test it, but unfortunately I have neither burner nor eraser. Anyone willing to help me out by shipping me a burmed EPROM? I'll pay for shipping and chip.
                Have you (or anyone else for that matter) tried this yet? Maybe glitch can help you with the EPROM? I've had no feedback at all regarding this and would really like to know if it works (or not).
                Looking for a cache card for the "ICL ErgoPRO C4/66d V"

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                  Is it possible to integrate "foreign" BIOS image into the Universal BIOS image ? I've found some interesting hi-res floppy controller BIOS images and would like to test it with AT FDD controller installed into 8-bit slot. I have also a ST-02 SCSI controller, AFAIK it support hi-res floppy by hardware but ST-02 BIOS does not contains floppy support.

                  My idea is to flash this images into XTIDE 28c256 (32k). This BIOS images are 8K in size and should fit into 28c256 after Universal BIOS (at 24K boundary).

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                    Originally posted by alecv View Post
                    Is it possible to integrate "foreign" BIOS image into the Universal BIOS image ?
                    By "integrate" I assume you mean something like this?
                    Code:
                    copy/b floppy.bin+scsi.bin+ide_xtl.bin combined.bin
                    It depends on the other BIOSes. It won't work if they make assumptions about where they are located (which segment address) or if they have a RAM area or memory mapped I/O window located inside the ROM address space (like the SVC ADP50L harddisk controller does). Other than that, I think it should work just fine. I'm pretty sure someone has done this already.
                    Looking for a cache card for the "ICL ErgoPRO C4/66d V"

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                      Like Krille said it depends on the other bios, But yes should work fine if you have a bios that play's nicely, I have a couple of machines with a 16-bit FDD controller in an 8-bit slot and XTIDE universal bios / HD floppy bios on chip and it works fine.

                      Originally posted by alecv View Post
                      Is it possible to integrate "foreign" BIOS image into the Universal BIOS image ?

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                        Originally posted by Malc View Post
                        ...I have a couple of machines with a 16-bit FDD controller in an 8-bit slot...
                        FWIW, FDD controllers *are* 8-bit animals regardless of whether or not they are on a 16-bit multifunction card. There are no FDD controller traces on the 16-bit section of those cards.
                        PM me if you're looking for 3" or 5" floppy disks. EMail For everything else, Take Another Step

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                          Question. I have the latest beta and noticed that after detecting the hd, it sits there for a few seconds before attempting boot. I have full mode on if it matters.

                          The previous bios beta didn't stall like that.

                          Using xtpl version. Previous was the same except not the large version.
                          IBM PS/2 Model 25, NEC V30 8MHz, 640KB RAM, ATI VGA Wonder XL, 2GB SSD, Ethernet, DR DOS 6/GeOS, Xircom PE3 Ethernet

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                            Here is a weird issue for you all. I downloaded Beta 3 and am doing the isa NIC to hold the EPROM and a 16 bit IDE in an 8 bit slot. The XT-IDE software build used was the ide_xt.bin & is configured for a 16 ISA IDE in an 8 bit slot. Was only thing I changed. The IDE controller is a Seagate ST08. Seems to work well with CF cards but does not like actual IDE hard drives! Tried 3 different ones and all were not recognized. The system I am using this in is a 5160 with 640k RAM and latest BIOS release.
                            *FrankG*

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                              That is expected, except for ATA-2 compliant HDDs, since that operating mode depends on the 8-bit transfer mode implemented in ATA-2 and CompactFlash specifications.

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                                OK so that explains what is happening. Thanks. Need one of your boards when they get in!
                                *FrankG*

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