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XTIDE Universal BIOS v2.0.0 beta testing thread

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  • PePe-fr
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    Hi,

    Some news !

    I was able to find a computer with an ISA slot to test the whole stuff.

    And it worked perfectly read/write.

    The problem comes from an incompatibility between the card (and most probably its BIOS) and my XT clone.
    Last edited by PePe-fr; August 14, 2018, 01:33 AM.

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  • Malc
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    Have you contacted the seller about this problem ?, How long have you had the card.

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  • PePe-fr
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    I would have done it, the idea is good. Unfortunately, the only socketed IC on my board is the EEPROM.

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  • Malc
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    Something you could try is swap IC1 and IC3 around, Both are 74HCT688, IC3 is part of the bios initializing circuit and IC1 is part of the IDE circuit, Put IC1 in the IC3 socket and IC3 in the IC1 socket, Power up and see if there is any change. Be very carefull not to bend the IC legs when removing and refitting and make sure you fit them the right way around in the sockets. I'm assuming the IC's are socketed. If you don't have the right tool you can use a small bladed screwdriver and carefully lever up each end of the IC a bit at a time.

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  • PePe-fr
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    Hi,


    Do you know (searched but go no positive results) if there are some diagnostic tools available to get feedback or make functionnal tests of the Xtide based boards ?

    EDIT :

    Still no access to an ISA equiped computer.

    Anyway, I managed to install the IDE to CF adapter, along with the data cable, in a Linux running machine. Everything is fine, the drive appears in the partition editor and is readable/writable.
    This part of the process seems good to me.

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  • dJOS
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    Originally posted by modem7 View Post
    Even if power was being sent to the subject CF-to-IDE adapter via pin 20 of the IDE cable, I do not think that it would help. Why? The subject CF-to-IDE adapter (in the photo provided) looks a lot like the one at [here]. Note that pin 20 within the adapter's IDE connector is missing (i.e. pin 20 location is being used for its original purpose, a key).
    Good point, I use the ones that support power over pin20 - pin20 was dropped on the UDMA IDE controller standard (ATA-4) that used the 80 wire cables, before that it was standard.

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  • modem7
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    Originally posted by PePe-fr View Post
    My configuration :
    * IBM XT Clone (made by a Singapore brand, called Syntax), the BIOS is from 1984.

    <photo>

    * This card and adapter :
    * The cards listed above
    Originally posted by dJOS View Post
    Ok that last line is important, how are you powering the IDE-CF adaptor? As without the rear components there is no power being sent over pin 20. This means you need to supply 5v via a 3.5" floppy power cable.
    Even if power was being sent to the subject CF-to-IDE adapter via pin 20 of the IDE cable, I do not think that it would help. Why? The subject CF-to-IDE adapter (in the photo provided) looks a lot like the one at [here]. Note that pin 20 within the adapter's IDE connector is missing (i.e. pin 20 location is being used for its original purpose, a key).

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  • PePe-fr
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    Hi,

    I use a power cable dongle I had :

    IMG_4818.jpg

    I had forgotten it (didn't knew it was necessary) at first power on several days ago and the CF cards were not recognized at all.

    Here is the whole stuff :

    Last edited by PePe-fr; August 13, 2018, 01:08 AM.

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  • dJOS
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    Originally posted by glitch View Post
    Hah, indeed, some CF cards will sort of/almost work without the power provided, some of the time! Made the error myself once or twice, on XT-IDEs as well as regular PCs.
    Exactly, back when I used to build these using PCB's from James, I always populated the entire board so that the boards would work in everything and not require external power for the IDE-CF adapter.

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  • glitch
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    Originally posted by dJOS View Post
    Ok that last line is important, how are you powering the IDE-CF adaptor? As without the rear components there is no power being sent over pin 20. This means you need to supply 5v via a 3.5" floppy power cable.
    Hah, indeed, some CF cards will sort of/almost work without the power provided, some of the time! Made the error myself once or twice, on XT-IDEs as well as regular PCs.

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  • dJOS
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    Originally posted by PePe-fr View Post
    Thanks for the time you spend helping a newbie refurbishing its beloved old computer.

    * I need to check that out, looking in some of my computers if there are some ISA slots... However I have no computer with MS-DOS just ready to accommodate this card for a quick test.
    * I did flash the version R598, and used the ide_xt.bin file, with an auto-configure on XTIDECFG. The POST message says
    Code:
    -=XTIDE Universal BIOS (XT)=- @ C800h
    v2.0.0B3+ (2018-07-13)
    Released under GNU GPL v2
    
    Master at 300h: SDCFXPS-032G
    Slave at 300h: not found
    * I bought this card pre-built, from Ebay (storrtech), along with the CF-Card adapter
    * The back side of the card is not populated.
    Ok that last line is important, how are you powering the IDE-CF adaptor? As without the rear components there is no power being sent over pin 20. This means you need to supply 5v via a 3.5" floppy power cable.

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  • PePe-fr
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    I made some last tests for tonight.

    I flashed the EPROM back to R566. Then I used WIPEDISK to erase the CF card from the XT. It ran, and said it was done. No proof on my side... I don't know if the software actually checks before showing this message !

    Then I tried a FDISK under DOS 5, still the hang problem. The "fun" thing is that le red light on the CF adapter, which is live when I read data on the CF card, is fixed red when I try to write (and get an error about that) or try to create a partition.

    As my inspiration was almost dry, and because I don't fear to lose any data on this CF card... I unpluged it from the adapter when FDISK was hanged and the light was red. Almost immediately, the light went off and the hang was over, FDISK telling me that there was no space (quite normal as the disk was not there anymore).

    It looks like if the writing was impossible on the card (the adapter was trying, light red) but the the order (or at least some sort of order) to do something was here.

    If the XT was faulty (and it could be... I can't so far source the components... all I know is that the CPU is a Nec, and that we bought it from a brand in Singapore when we transited there in 1986), I guess that there would be no order to write, or that this order would be incorrect and the lo-tech card wouldn't pass anything to the adapter.
    Last edited by PePe-fr; August 13, 2018, 01:16 AM.

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  • Malc
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    I have a couple of those lo-tech isa-cf adapters which i built myself and use the same CF adapter as you have, I have found those cf adapters to be reliable unlike the other cheap chinese adapters around, I just downloaded r598 from the pre-built binaries center and configured and flashed the eeprom on my card, My XT booted fine from the 128Mb industrial CF card i use. If you have another computer you can try it all in would be better, Maybe something odd about your clone xt or possibly a faulty card, A shot in the dark but try r566 from the lo-tech site, try the version that's been padded out to CC00h, No need to configure it just flash to eeprom https://www.lo-tech.co.uk/wiki/Lo-te...er_revision_2b

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  • PePe-fr
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    Thanks for the time you spend helping a newbie refurbishing its beloved old computer.

    * I need to check that out, looking in some of my computers if there are some ISA slots... However I have no computer with MS-DOS just ready to accommodate this card for a quick test.
    * I did flash the version R598, and used the ide_xt.bin file, with an auto-configure on XTIDECFG. The POST message says
    Code:
    -=XTIDE Universal BIOS (XT)=- @ C800h
    v2.0.0B3+ (2018-07-13)
    Released under GNU GPL v2
    
    Master at 300h: SDCFXPS-032G
    Slave at 300h: not found
    * I bought this card pre-built, from Ebay (storrtech), along with the CF-Card adapter
    * The back side of the card is not populated.
    Last edited by PePe-fr; August 12, 2018, 12:47 PM. Reason: typo

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  • Malc
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    Hmm, Can you try this card in another computer ?, What revision of the XUB did you flash ?, What .bin file did you use ?, I assume you bought this card pre-built or did you build it your self, Does it have the suface mount components installed on the back of the card.

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