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    #16
    Anyone remember when it was USASCII? We can thank LBJ for the prevalence of ASCII on modern computers.

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      #17
      Yes, I did mean ascii. But for some reason, in the library of programs I located a while ago, I have a file folder called ANSI, with some windows based test editoes in it. When I posted the question, I got them turned around, but yes, I did mean ASCII.

      Thanks mbbrutman for allowing me to clear that up.

      Originally posted by mbbrutman View Post
      Did you really mean ANSI or did you mean ASCII? The two mean different things.

      Edlin, PE, TED, etc. are examples of ASCII editors - they edit straight text.

      ANSI editing allows you to use ANSI escape codes. "TheDraw" is an example of an ANSI editor.

      So which did you mean? I am assuming that you mean ASCII, and other people are giving you examples of ASCII editors. Not ANSI editors.
      Wanted: - Complete SERIES ONE TRS-80, IBM 5170 AT, Original authentic IBM 5100 Portable, IBM 5151 Monitor. Also looking for Packard Bell 75Mhz computer, Commodore Pet w. Built-in cassette drive, amber 12 CRT, Mac SE-30 hard disk to replace the bad drive currently installed, TRS-80 Coco series 1 upgrades including memory, IBM PC 5160 compatible CD ROM.

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        #18
        I have XTREE Gold installed, But, I'm also considering one more. Norton Commander keeps popping up in my mind and I have had so many people recommend it that I want to try them both before making a commitment and adding it to my autoexec.bat file for automatically starting when I boot the computer.

        Thanks though. I'll look at that too.



        Originally posted by SpidersWeb View Post
        bettablue - I know you have XtreeGold installed - that has a built in text editor too btw.
        Wanted: - Complete SERIES ONE TRS-80, IBM 5170 AT, Original authentic IBM 5100 Portable, IBM 5151 Monitor. Also looking for Packard Bell 75Mhz computer, Commodore Pet w. Built-in cassette drive, amber 12 CRT, Mac SE-30 hard disk to replace the bad drive currently installed, TRS-80 Coco series 1 upgrades including memory, IBM PC 5160 compatible CD ROM.

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          #19
          Originally posted by bettablue View Post
          Norton Commander keeps popping up in my mind and I have had so many people recommend it that I want to try them both before making a commitment and adding it to my autoexec.bat file for automatically starting when I boot the computer.
          I find the command line much faster and easier, but if you like a file manager program, then I don't think that Norton is known for particularly elegant code. The popularity is probably more because of the marketing and general availability. Anyway, why not try DOS Commander? You may like it. Get it here.
          WANTED: Cardinal 2450MNP modem.

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            #20
            If you want an editor to be at your fingertips at all times, don't forget that Borland Sidekick had one buried in it, not to mention a calculator, appointment calendar, terminal emulator and a few other things, all in a pop-up.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Ole Juul View Post
              It does bring a smirk to my face though because it really shows up the huge lack of editors in the Linux/Unix world. DOS rulz! - certainly when it comes to choice and variety of editors.
              Linux has vim and emacs. We don't need anything else.



              Since Commander style interfaces came up, I'd also point out File Maven. I used that on my Tandy 1000TX for a while. For some reason NC wouldn't run on my TX, but file maven proved a good alternative. It does come with a text editor too.

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                #22
                http://www.oldskool.org/guides/texteditors

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                  #23
                  DR-DOS 7.x comes with a text editor that runs just fine in DOS 3.3 and doesn't take up too much disk space. It is rather slow on a 4.77 MHz 8088, however.

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                    #24
                    Thanks Mike. This is exactly what I'm looking for. This way, I can test them all on my tweener before adding one or two to my 5150.
                    Wanted: - Complete SERIES ONE TRS-80, IBM 5170 AT, Original authentic IBM 5100 Portable, IBM 5151 Monitor. Also looking for Packard Bell 75Mhz computer, Commodore Pet w. Built-in cassette drive, amber 12 CRT, Mac SE-30 hard disk to replace the bad drive currently installed, TRS-80 Coco series 1 upgrades including memory, IBM PC 5160 compatible CD ROM.

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                      #25
                      Yer welcome. One thing that I recently evaluated but didn't put on that page was Tiny Emacs, the favorite tiny editor of the maintainer of texteditors.org. I compiled a version that works for 8088 and it grew from 4k to 5k, but still a neat little emacs. Not my cup of tea, but might be yours. You can snag it here: http://www.texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TM

                      I have been warming up to VDE and am using that more and more for text documentation that I want to distribute in 80-col; it has nice wordwrap that survives multiple editing sessions while staying within ASCII 32-127.
                      Offering a bounty for:
                      - A working Sanyo MBC-775 or Logabax 1600
                      - Music Construction Set, IBM Music Feature edition (has red sticker on front stating IBM Music Feature)

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by bettablue View Post
                        During my search, I ran into a couple of threads here in the forums where members have written their own replacement programs for the earlier versions. As an example: Mem.exe. which was written by one of our regulars (I believe it was Chuck). The program was only 41 Bytes in size. That little program is a perfect example of what I'm looking for.
                        It's impossible to create a functional editor in 41 bytes, so maybe you meant 41KB?
                        Offering a bounty for:
                        - A working Sanyo MBC-775 or Logabax 1600
                        - Music Construction Set, IBM Music Feature edition (has red sticker on front stating IBM Music Feature)

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Trixter View Post
                          It's impossible to create a functional editor in 41 bytes, so maybe you meant 41KB?
                          I saw that and was wondering too. There are some small editors out there though. Like I mentioned, the very functional TED (PCmag/Ziff) comes in at just under 3K which is not bad for something that one would actually want to use as one's main editor - as I have for years. However, I also have a small version which is a total of 656 bytes. The writer did have to forgo a few niceties in order to achieve that though. One is that you hit Ctrl-C to exit. lol In any case I do think that one (TEDL.COM) is the winner of the small editor record, and was written for that purpose. You wouldn't happen to have another really small one for my collection would you?
                          WANTED: Cardinal 2450MNP modem.

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                            #28
                            No, I saw something that Chuck G wrote. I think it was a memory tool or something like that. It came in at 41 bytes. I got my terms messed up again. This is happening a lot more to me as my health issues get worse. And yes they are getting worse for now. I'm facing three things, a liver and kidney transplant, plus the removal of my overly enlarged spleen Trust me, it's not fun, But because of the constant illness I have been feeling and going through, I have a lot of trouble concentrating on what I write. It does take a lot for me to focus.

                            Sorry about the confusion.

                            Originally posted by Ole Juul View Post
                            I saw that and was wondering too. There are some small editors out there though. Like I mentioned, the very functional TED (PCmag/Ziff) comes in at just under 3K which is not bad for something that one would actually want to use as one's main editor - as I have for years. However, I also have a small version which is a total of 656 bytes. The writer did have to forgo a few niceties in order to achieve that though. One is that you hit Ctrl-C to exit. lol In any case I do think that one (TEDL.COM) is the winner of the small editor record, and was written for that purpose. You wouldn't happen to have another really small one for my collection would you?
                            Wanted: - Complete SERIES ONE TRS-80, IBM 5170 AT, Original authentic IBM 5100 Portable, IBM 5151 Monitor. Also looking for Packard Bell 75Mhz computer, Commodore Pet w. Built-in cassette drive, amber 12 CRT, Mac SE-30 hard disk to replace the bad drive currently installed, TRS-80 Coco series 1 upgrades including memory, IBM PC 5160 compatible CD ROM.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by bettablue View Post
                              Sorry about the confusion.
                              Not to worry. As you know, I've got related health issues, so I can certainly sympathise. Mental mixups are indeed the hardest things to accept, because we all want to be sharp all the time. Anyway . . . just have to go with it. Intelligence has many forms and it's not a competition.

                              Regarding a super small editor, I was actually hoping that trixter would have something like that in his collection. To date the TEDL at 656 bytes is the record in my experience. Funny though, it comes with a very small documentation file which, even then, is twice the size as the editor. Haha.
                              WANTED: Cardinal 2450MNP modem.

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                                #30
                                Ah yes. I would definitely be interested in getting that. I'll see if I can find a copy.

                                Thanks.



                                Originally posted by Ole Juul View Post
                                Not to worry. As you know, I've got related health issues, so I can certainly sympathise. Mental mixups are indeed the hardest things to accept, because we all want to be sharp all the time. Anyway . . . just have to go with it. Intelligence has many forms and it's not a competition.

                                Regarding a super small editor, I was actually hoping that trixter would have something like that in his collection. To date the TEDL at 656 bytes is the record in my experience. Funny though, it comes with a very small documentation file which, even then, is twice the size as the editor. Haha.
                                Wanted: - Complete SERIES ONE TRS-80, IBM 5170 AT, Original authentic IBM 5100 Portable, IBM 5151 Monitor. Also looking for Packard Bell 75Mhz computer, Commodore Pet w. Built-in cassette drive, amber 12 CRT, Mac SE-30 hard disk to replace the bad drive currently installed, TRS-80 Coco series 1 upgrades including memory, IBM PC 5160 compatible CD ROM.

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