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Looking for ICT WinPLACE PLD software for PEEL 18CV8...

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    Looking for ICT WinPLACE PLD software for PEEL 18CV8...

    Does anybody have this ancient free software? I need to compile some equations with it for PEEL 18CV8 PLD. Thank you.

    #2
    You might have better luck using PLDASM--I think it was part of PLDShell. That used to be freely available from Intel, but I think it was sold to Altera. Regardless, I suspect there are some copies wandering around the web.
    Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Chuck(G) View Post
      You might have better luck using PLDASM--I think it was part of PLDShell. That used to be freely available from Intel, but I think it was sold to Altera. Regardless, I suspect there are some copies wandering around the web.
      Thank you,Chuck. But according to its manual here ftp://ftp.altera.com/pub/lit_req/doc...g/pldshell.pdf it does not support PEEL PLDs at all. I need a compiler that supports that fusemap.

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        #4
        Originally posted by george View Post
        Does anybody have this ancient free software? I need to compile some equations with it for PEEL 18CV8 PLD. Thank you.
        I think ABEL and some versions of CUPL could handle PEEL devices. The 18CV8 was a very advanced device but few applications used all its capabilities. Perhaps you could try to see if your equations will assemble properly with a GAL16V8 or PAL16V8? Can you post an example equation?

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          #5
          Originally posted by dave_m View Post
          I think ABEL and some versions of CUPL could handle PEEL devices. The 18CV8 was a very advanced device but few applications used all its capabilities. Perhaps you could try to see if your equations will assemble properly with a GAL16V8 or PAL16V8? Can you post an example equation?
          Of course, the equations assemble properly. I just have several PEEL devices plus I know local supply so I want to use PEEL also. WinCUPL version I have does not have in its device library support for PEEL ;(

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            #6
            I don't know if this will help, but SMS PLDASM claims to support the 18CV8. So perhaps you have a way of going from logic equations to a JEDEC fusemap.

            I share your frustration in finding support for old programmable devices. The various logic lines have been passed around so much that a lot of information and tools are simply unobtanium.

            Any chance of using a plain old GAL in place of the 18CV8?
            Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Chuck(G) View Post
              I don't know if this will help, but SMS PLDASM claims to support the 18CV8. So perhaps you have a way of going from logic equations to a JEDEC fusemap.

              I share your frustration in finding support for old programmable devices. The various logic lines have been passed around so much that a lot of information and tools are simply unobtanium.

              Any chance of using a plain old GAL in place of the 18CV8?
              Yes, I am already using GALs successfully. Just wanted to utilize PEELs...And to gain some additional knowledge on their IDE.

              Added: Chuck, you're great as usual. The german assembler you pointed out of nowhere in your link worked perfectly. I will pay more attention to it to understand what I actually used Thank you
              Last edited by george; December 10, 2013, 04:25 PM.

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                #8
                PEELs use a different output macrocell than do GALs. It's more flexible, but obviously requires different programming. My Xeltek Superpro can handle them, but I think they're sort of a dead-end, evolutionary speaking. I think I've got a batch of 16CV8 and 22CV10s that I picked up cheap. But I'd never design for something that works only with a PEEL device--that would be instant obsolescence.

                See here for a brief explanation.
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                  #9
                  Actually I am using GALs and PEELs to replace a simple 16L8 logic so both types are suitable as long as they are available. Just needed a proper compiler for PEELs.
                  Last edited by george; December 10, 2013, 09:48 PM.

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                    #10
                    Well, PAL programming, like bipolar PROMs requires blowing fuses. It's getting very difficult to find any programmers that will do that anymore.
                    Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by george View Post
                      Does anybody have this ancient free software? I need to compile some equations with it for PEEL 18CV8 PLD. Thank you.
                      Depending on how bold you are, you can download a zip folder called WinPlace 232-beta from this Russian sounding webpage. I ran a Norton scan successfully on the zip folder but who knows. There is also a link to the WinPLACE manual. Norton gave the page a green 'Site is Safe' light.

                      http://www.control.aau.dk/~jan/under...Kredslob-2009/

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by dave_m View Post
                        Depending on how bold you are, you can download a zip folder called WinPlace 232-beta from this Russian sounding webpage. I ran a Norton scan successfully on the zip folder but who knows. There is also a link to the WinPLACE manual. Norton gave the page a green 'Site is Safe' light.

                        http://www.control.aau.dk/~jan/under...Kredslob-2009/
                        The site is danish, and thank you. I have already solved my problem with the small dos sms assembler that Chuck pointed to, but I've also donwnloaded this one and will check it some day.

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                          #13
                          George,
                          Granted this reply follows your query by 2 years, but ... I have PLACE software diskette and user manual. Version 2.71 I think, from 1995. I'm not sure whether it is intended for DOS or wWndows, probably win. I can send you a .7z of the 3.5 " diskette, look it over. If you want the manual you will have to recompense for shipping. The manual is actually a complete databook of ICT programmable devices, and extension documentation (about 45% of the content of the databook) of the PLACE program.

                          regards,
                          Ray Berry

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                            #14
                            Thank you. It would be great to have the software. Others might be interested, too...

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                              #15
                              Here is Winplace 2.1 plus ap notes, etc..

                              https://1drv.ms/f/s!Al2JgiX7_qf0imPVKdwmKVLKvBzi


                              Regards, Dana.

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