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Apple's Lisa Operating System and Application Source Code to go Public

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    Apple's Lisa Operating System and Application Source Code to go Public

    In case you missed it, Al posted that he, his team and the CHM have now handled the source code and after a quick review are letting Apple consult and ponder weather or not to release the source code to the public in due time. Awesome work guys!
    He originally announced this In the LisaList Group on the 24th but since then the news has been spreading all over the place. I picked it up today on my RSS feed for the BBC. -Link-

    I am excited to see what comes out of this. There is already speculation of patches but I'd love a better grip on how drivers operate and hook in. I'd kill to see a working LOS driver for the Sun Remarketing SCSI card.
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    This is great. I mean all 10 people with a working Lisa that actually TURN IT ON, should be excited. This isn't me taking the piss out of it, I just want the code for a machine a little more... common?
    It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

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      #3
      Originally posted by luckybob View Post
      I mean all 10 people with a working Lisa that actually TURN IT ON, should be excited.
      Make that 11. I'm bold enough to mess on mine regularly enough (if not to try and fix that damn ProFile)
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        #4
        Does this mean somebody can now clone the Lisa and sell reproductions?
        What I collect: 68K/Early PPC Mac, DOS/Win 3.1 era machines, Amiga/ST, C64/128
        Nubus/ISA/VLB/MCA/EISA cards of all types
        Boxed apps and games for the above systems
        Analog video capture cards/software and complete systems

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unknown_K View Post
          Does this mean somebody can now clone the Lisa and sell reproductions?
          I think the plan is to have it released under a non-commercial license like other CHM source releases. So no selling unless that changes.

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            #6
            Yea but they can sell the hardware and you just install the software.
            What I collect: 68K/Early PPC Mac, DOS/Win 3.1 era machines, Amiga/ST, C64/128
            Nubus/ISA/VLB/MCA/EISA cards of all types
            Boxed apps and games for the above systems
            Analog video capture cards/software and complete systems

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              #7
              I personally find the Lisa somewhat... Fugly. But I want to make it clear, I'm not disparaging the Lisa community. I'm just bitter IBM wont do the same for the PS/2 era hardware or OS/2.

              *edit* yay post 1,000!
              It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

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                #8
                Originally posted by NeXT View Post
                Make that 11. I'm bold enough to mess on mine regularly enough (if not to try and fix that damn ProFile)
                Make that 12 soon, I hope to finish recapping this weekend and then power up my new to me Lisa.

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                  #9
                  Apparently not that unpopular:


                  [ATTACH]42722[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]42721[/ATTACH]


                  There was a young lady... Lisa her name.....in one of previous VCF shows,
                  and she had a collection of these!

                  ziloo

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