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Looking for First 3D printer, need advice

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    Looking for First 3D printer, need advice

    So the cost of printing services or begging/batering to get my 3d print work done has become ridiculous and impractical. I need to jump in and buy one. The prices have come down I know but there are still alot of factors. This will be my first so my budget is $200 or less if possible. Id like something with a larger frame then the small beginner models as that severely limits your build size.

    I was considering the Anycubic Mega Zero which was on sale early on for about $150.00; price dropped to $109 and is now out of production:

    They have a Mega Zero 2 now for $170.00.

    But the same complaint for both models keeps coming up and a red flag. These units need constant leveling. Like Daily or between projects which could get... Will get very annoying.

    What should I be looking at? And where is a good site to buy various spools of print material?

    Would be curious what you guys think and what you own at this point.


    You should always re-level before printing everything... That is a normal issue with budget printers, and even some mid-range.

    You can get the little "kids" printers for about $60.


      Originally posted by rittwage View Post
      You should always re-level before printing everything... That is a normal issue with budget printers, and even some mid-range.
      Mind, I can't even spell "3D Printer", so that just shows my familiarity with them.

      Is the releveling issue tied to the material of the unit? Can they be anchored to something stronger (say a chunk of 3/4" plywood), does that solve the problem?


        The leveling issue isn't the Printer's Frame or the table it's sitting on. The BED is heated, and the Filament Extruder is heated, and the tolerances must
        be correct from the nozzle to the bed, or the heated stream of liquid filament will not adhere properly to the bed. If there isn't good adhesion,
        then the part can lift, or warp as it's being printed, and the part is malformed. Some folks use the Extreme stick glue to make the adhesion
        of the heated BED more aggressive. That seems to help. Some print on Glass placed on their BED.

        The BED is adjusted on the four corners, and a few thousands extra clearance makes a difference. Some folks use a piece of paper to level
        the bed by using at least 9 or 12 points on the XY axis to LEVEL the BED to the Extruder. Different brands of Extruders also play a role in making
        a proper part.

        Different brands of filament, and types of filament means playing with the temperatures to get a good printed part. Not all filament prints well
        on any brand printer.



          Originally posted by rittwage View Post
          You should always re-level before printing everything... That is a normal issue with budget printers, and even some mid-range.

          You can get the little "kids" printers for about $60.
          I said size was an issue so.. no thanks.


            I'm happy with my ender 3 v2. I don't relevel between prints


              Ender 3... Hands down the easiest FDM printer to get into.
              The only mods I would suggest at the very first is make sure you get the yellow springs for the bed, this reduces the amount of releveling needed. A lot..


                Ender 3. Thanks guys. How much should I be looking to pay on one of these? Any sites in mind with listings?


                  Here's a Amazon link from Creality. This is the same link I bought my last one with.

                  $189 is the default price.

                  Official Creality Ender 3 3D Printer Fully Open Source with Resume Printing All Metal Frame FDM DIY Printers with Resume Printing Function 220x220x250mm: Industrial & Scientific


                    Here's the link to the springs.

                    Now, does anyone know how to add 2 links to a message? WTH... You used to just include them in the text.

           Upgraded 4PCS Creality Aluminum Hand Twist Leveling Nut with 4PCS Hot Bed Die Springs for Ender 3/3 Pro/3 V2, Ender 5/5 Plus/Pro, CR-10, CR10S/10S Pro, CR 20 3D Printer : Industrial & Scientific


                      Thank you Dabone. I take it these nuts/springs make leveling much easier on that unit?


                        Yeah, the higher tension on the replacement springs means less movement of the wheels while printing. I didn't use the replacement wheels myself.
                        My ender 3 currently has a upgraded main board, color touch screen, and bltouch. And a built in Pi4 for octoprint. But I love modding my 3d printers as much as actually using them.


                          I am very happy with my Creality CR6 SE. But it's not in your budget. But if you're planning to add the bltouch and other mods then this already has self leveling and a color touch screen. I could upgrade the main board but I don't see a reason at this time to do that. Yeah, Octoprint is way cool. I have a camera mount on the front of mine and plan to add some LED lights to be able to see things better. The little LED they provide is pretty useless.
                          PDP-8 and PDP-11 enthusiast. But enjoy most older PC stuff too.


                            i dont want to get ahead of myself with modding. id like to try a stock system with different filament before changing anything..


                              I just added washers to increase the tension on my springs. Cost nothing