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So My kids threw out a piece of primary test equipment.....

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    #16
    I don't have kids that did that but my mom ruined a favorite t-shirt when I was in high school and my brother quickly started doing all our laundry.

    Luckily, this is still an item that's around--you simply need to find out where original owners get rid of theirs (like how a lot of us get rid of our stuff here), and you should be able to find a nice deal.

    Yes, today's kids can be dumber than an 8088 running at 400khz... And they are the future! OMG!

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      #17
      I used Flukes many many years ago. They were the industry standard handhelds. In the early 90s while working in an unrelated job I started shopping around for one. Car repairs and other expenses prevented it. Anyway in more recent years I went shopping for a Fluke again. Only to find out they weren't made in the US, like most everything else, in China. They moved a long way from their roots. I don't get excited over Chinese made anything these days. You can do what you want. You're the master of your own destiny.

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        #18
        Originally posted by tipc View Post
        You can do what you want. You're the master of your own destiny.
        I recently promoted myself to demigod

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          #19
          Originally posted by tipc View Post
          I don't get excited over Chinese made anything these days.
          I actually have even a worse reaction--I see what was once easily made here and could be again being copied and mutated (and malwared) and sold back to the oblivious masses which then only demand more of this garbage--and I'm completely disgusted and appalled. It's when I see something quality that has 'made in the usa' on it that I have some glimpse of hope.

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            #20
            Plenty of 8062a's on ebay which is what I use. 4.5 digit and true RMS but they don't have a backlight.

            Though mine has just started to have an annoying offset and takes a few minutes to settle to zero.
            Current fleet
            TRS80 Model 4 - BBC B - Tatung Einstein - PCW9512 - PET 3032 - C64 - ZX81 - Spectrum 48K - Amiga A500 - Apple II europlus - Apple iMAC G3. Sharp MZ-80K. - IBM 5160 XT - Multibus 286/10 - Micro PDP 11/73 - Rainbow PC100A - MicroVax II - MicroVAX 3100, 3300, VAX 4000 VLC & 4000 Model 96 - AlphaStation 225Apricot PC - Apple Performa 6200 - Apple Mac IIcx

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              #21
              Originally posted by maxtherabbit View Post
              I recently promoted myself to demigod
              The reasons for my saying that are going to be lost on 99% of the population.

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                #22
                Originally posted by maxtherabbit View Post
                I recently promoted myself to demigod
                But how about your sister?

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by tipc View Post
                  I used Flukes many many years ago. They were the industry standard handhelds. In the early 90s while working in an unrelated job I started shopping around for one. Car repairs and other expenses prevented it. Anyway in more recent years I went shopping for a Fluke again. Only to find out they weren't made in the US, like most everything else, in China. They moved a long way from their roots. I don't get excited over Chinese made anything these days. You can do what you want. You're the master of your own destiny.
                  Be glad you didnt buy a house where the clearly uninformed bonehead owners bought ONLY LG and BOSH appliances for everything.. Oh I hate our appliances.........

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                    #24
                    Don't forget Viking either..... wait til you see the repair/replacement costs. Like vintage computing, sometimes small elegant and and simply designed is the way to go - easier to understand and maintain.

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                      #25
                      Sell them to a mad scientist for genetic experiments. You should make enough on the sale to get a REALLY nice new meter...

                      g.
                      Proud owner of 80-0007
                      http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                        Be glad you didnt buy a house where the clearly uninformed bonehead owners bought ONLY LG and BOSH appliances for everything.. Oh I hate our appliances.........
                        Now what the heck is wrong with a LG 55 incher from 2008 that still works?
                        Surely not everyone was Kung-fu fighting

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                          #27
                          [QUOTE=geneb;661831]Sell them to a mad scientist for genetic experiments. You should make enough on the sale to get a REALLY nice new meter...

                          g.[/QUOTE

                          No mad scientists around here, they're all nice and easy to get along with.
                          Surely not everyone was Kung-fu fighting

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post
                            Now what the heck is wrong with a LG 55 incher from 2008 that still works?
                            I dont need a tv that big.. They are eyesores. I have a projector in my bedroom for a 120" display with remote controlled screen so its a hideaway.

                            Sorry not a fan of korean stuff. Before lucky and goldstar merged i had experience with goldstar tvs and computer monitors and vcrs but i dont much care for thier lg stuff now a days. And my RCA 46" tv is from 2009.. So what is that supposed to be a long time? Not to me it isnt.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                              I dont need a tv that big.. They are eyesores. I have a projector in my bedroom for a 120" display with remote controlled screen so its a hideaway.

                              Sorry not a fan of korean stuff. Before lucky and goldstar merged i had experience with goldstar tvs and computer monitors and vcrs but i dont much care for thier lg stuff now a days. And my RCA 46" tv is from 2009.. So what is that supposed to be a long time? Not to me it isnt.
                              13 years for any TV ain't bad these days. Also, no room for a projector in my bar.
                              Surely not everyone was Kung-fu fighting

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                                Sorry not a fan of korean stuff. Before lucky and goldstar merged i had experience with goldstar tvs and computer monitors and vcrs but i dont much care for thier lg stuff now a days. And my RCA 46" tv is from 2009.. So what is that supposed to be a long time? Not to me it isnt.
                                Are you sure that your "RCA" TV wasn't made in Korea? In the consumer electronics space RCA hasn't been any more than a label since, man, like 1988. Any television with an RCA label made in the last few decades has more than decent odds of having come from Korea. (The brand was owned for a long time by "Technicolor SA", formally Thomson, a French multinational. It looks like they sold it to the ON corporation, a Korean company, around 2010. A 2009 TV was *probably* made by TCL in China but it's not a sure thing.)
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