Forum Rules and Etiquette

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This forum is part of our mission to promote the preservation of vintage computers through education and outreach. (In real life we also run events and have a museum.) We encourage you to join us, participate, share your knowledge, and enjoy.

This forum has been around in this format for over 15 years. These rules and guidelines help us maintain a healthy and active community, and we moderate the forum to keep things on track. Please familiarize yourself with these rules and guidelines.

Rule 1: Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.

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  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.

Rule 3: Contribute something meaningful

To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
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  • Do not "necro-post" unless you are following up to a specific person on a specific thread. And even then, that person may have moved on. Just start a new thread for your related topic.
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Rule 4: "PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
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Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Rule 5: Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.

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If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.

New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.

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The Online Documentation Project

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    The Online Documentation Project

    As per the thread discussing documentation archives I have set up an area for this very thing.

    The goal of this message area is to act as a repository of links to documentation sources on the web.

    The only way this will be useful is if there is sufficient information along with each link.

    At an absolute minimum there needs to be enough make/model/version information for a reasonable search to locate the thread.

    So, if I know where a manual to a Commodore Pet 2001 is stored, I need to specify at least the following:

    Manual for Commodore Pet 2001
    URL =

    Obviously more information would be a lot better (date of publication, version (first printing, etc.), quality, type of file (bmp, jpg, pdf, txt, etc.) and more.

    For a software manual the basic information is manufacturer/software/version plus what the manual is for.

    A CP/M 2.2 user's manual on the web might be listed as:

    CP/M 2.2 for CompuPro 8/16 User's Manual
    URL =

    Again, more information is better.

    In order for this to work, we'll need the following:

    1. People willing to share their sources for online manuals.
    2. People willing to host manuals online
    3. People willing to convert paper documents into online documents.

    Anyone can fill any or all of those roles or they can work with others who compliment their skills. If someone has the webspace and bandwidth to host documents but can't find the time to scan and PDF them, hopefully they'll hook up with someone with a scanner and a bit of free time, etc.

    So, with all of that said, here are the rules:

    Please post related discussions, requests for scans, storage or whatever in the "Requests/Discussions" forum.

    Please post links to manuals in the "Manuals" forum. If this area gets big enough I'll consider breaking it out into categories, but for now let's lump it all together. If you have a review of a document or any follow-up information about a given posted link, please add it to the thread about that link.

    Please include as much information as you possibly can when posting manuals. Please limit yourself to one document or one document family per post. For example, if you know where there are manuals for an Atari 800, an Apple ///+ and a CompuPro 8/16, please put those into separate threads. If, on the other hand, you know where there are a set of documents for the Altair 8800, please put them all in the same thread or even the same message.

    Before you post a new manual, PLEASE search the boards to see if there is already a link to that document. Also, please only post about documents that have something to do with the vintage computer hobby. I'll do my best to moderate, but I'm hoping I don't have to do much!

    Thanks to Thomas Hillebrandt for this exceptional idea! We’ll continue to revise it as the concept evolves. Hopefully this is a good starting point, though.

    The Vintage Computer and Gaming Marketplace
    The Vintage Computer

    I'll try to help

    As I clean out my old shop, I've been copying all the old disk and hard-drives from my server to CD's. Most of the 5 1/4 are still readable and there is a lot of 3 1/2's ... Not many games but mostly set-up disks for every part we sold in fifteen years of business.... As for the manuals and books I'll store them the best I can , until possibly scan them into PDF
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      I found this site that contains a huge amount of documentation. It is targeted at mainframes and minis from the 50s into the 80s but also has documentation on early micros from the 70s and 80s under their appropriate manufacturers.

      Great resource for those interested in old computers in general.



        Great source! They even have Xerox Alto documentation! (Didn't see any Star docs though...) YTMND: TRS-80 Hacking Secrets Revealed!!!

        There are 10 types of people in this world: Those who understand binary, & those who don't.



          Is info, and links to docs and software for:
          Espon HX-20
          Epson PX-4
          Epson PX-8 Geneva
          Epson PX-16
          Epson QX-10
          Epson QX-16
          Epson PF-10 Floppy
          Epson TF-20 Floppy
          Olivetti M10
          Olivetti M15




            kaypro technical reference manuals
            CP/M 68K manuals
            CP/M programming
            CompuPro Concurrent DOS (CDOS) manuals


              apple manuals

              apple II and peripherals

              macintosh service manuals
              (some links are broken)

              archives of mac/info

              Graphic user interface gallery

              my apple computers - list (pdf)


                Lotta Tandy 1000 trs-80 docs, manuals, FAQ's




                  S-100 bus systems, cards, and info:



                  I mean alot of it!


                  and the list goes on...



                    I have started scanning quite some docs and there are more coming from a friend too.

                    Check em out at (click on Vintage Document Library on the left).

                    The next addition will be the "Intel SDK-2920 System Design Kit User's Guide" from 1981. These were already old copies and the quality was not the best so a good time to start scanning
                    My collection of brochures :


                      Video Genie/Dick Smith System 80/PMC-80


                      I have scanned manuals for this EACA machine at

                      There are also other manuals produced by Dick Smith to support this machine on the site.
                      My vintage collection:
                      My vintage activities blog:
                      Twitter: @classiccomputNZ ; YouTube Videos: (click here)


                        Rich Cini's Classic Computing has a number of docs:


                        Erik, they have a PDF of the tandy model 100 manual.
                        "But it's like pie r square and cornbread r round; we all know that pie r round and cornbread r square..."


                          We here at Chicago Classic Computing are building a document library to augment Bitsavers and the others out there. It consists mainly of stuff I've found in my travels (often in my own basement that didn't appear to be scanned anywhere else on the 'net. It is small now but will grow over time. All are welcome to mirror the site or incorporate the docs into their own archives:


                          Stuff I'm selling right now:



                            Configuration information for 100's (1000's?) of ISA, EISA, Motherboards, drives, etc.


                              Xerox Alto manuals:

                              Apple service PDFs for quite a few models:

                              Docs for the Apple Network Server:

                              Seagate specs for all older drives:

                              I've got quite a bit more in the general computing directory but too much to sort through
                              "Paul's Old Crap" retro computing videos