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Micom 2000

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I did tell Eric I'd be good, but the present state of affairs is just as pressing as during the Viet-Nam war and I think it is too important to simply pretend it's not happening. And while I could tell my grandchildren that I was an activist during that time when the "Hard-hats" would beat up those who opposed the war, how could I explain how I didn't speak out during an even more viscious war, and when the liberties of the the US people are even more in question. When even speaking out had greater penalties than a fist in your face or a club over your head. Not only social approbrium, but arrrest for opposing imperial power.
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The policies of the present US administration which in it's attempt to stave off the problems of "Peak Oil" and to dominate oil production in the middle-east has clearly come accropper. The death-count of young brain-washed US soldiers and Canadian troops in Afghanistan regularly increases, not to mention the greater toll on the Iraqui and Afghani people.

What is becoming clear is that no matter what your power, you cannot simply impose your will on a country's people. A lesson that should have been learned in Viet-Nam.

Despite this the administration continues it's follies, and even the original attack on Afghanistan is beginning to turn sour . The occupying troops are coming under increasing attacks by the Taliban, and will likely eventually be forced out of the country. This has been the fate of most invaders of Afghanistan for centuries. The Soviet Union possibly fell because of it, altho aided by the support the US gave to the Taliban and who even established Al Khaeda thru it's contacts to Saudi-Arabia.

And at it's bottom line, was a Bush image of a trans-Afghanistan pipeline to the Persian Gulf from the oil-rich former Soviet-Union states. Pushed by Union-Oil. now called Unico. A compliant client state which would be headed by the heroin-producing northern war-lords, who were even more anti-democratic than the Taliban, should that be possible, but without the guidance of a theocracy.

A simple examination of the mid-east map will show that Iran is sandwiched between Afghanistan and Iraq, with the notoriously repressive client state of Saudi-Arabia nearby. Most analysts expect an air-strike on Iran before the congressional elections, guised under the Iranian threat of a nuclear device. This ignores the possession of nuclear arms by Israel, India, and Pakistan, not to mention the United States. At one time there was an agreement between the Soviet Union and the United States to destroy their nuclear weapons. This was abrogated by the US under Reagan. It's no wonder most people outside the US view the US as the main threat to world peace and possibly destruction.

Unfortunately the brainwashing effect of most of the US media alleviates any concerns about the present situation. I find it tragedic to a people who I held heroic and a beacon to those who hoped for a better world. Perhaps that's why so many of the worlds people now hate the US Imperial government, and despair at why the US people haven't asserted themselves.

If this stays on the forum I expect the usual hate-mail, but possibly you could make a coherent refutation instead.

Lawrence
 
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If this stays on the forum I expect the usual hate-mail, but possibly you could make a coherent refutation instead.

I don't think that your last political post was in danger of being deleted. However, it did generate a lot of criticism, much of it deserved. I hope you don't think we're going to just delete this to avoid the trouble.

I don't really think that the current administration is concerned about 'peak oil'. I think that it is simpler than that .. Planning for the downward decline in oil production would give them too much credit.

Afghanistan was a legimate target. The Taliban does seem to be experiencing a resurgence, possibly because the US didn't commit the troops to do the job right the first time. (The definition of the job isn't clear, which is a different problem.) The troops that should be in Afghanistan providing security and helping to build a stable nation are elsewhere, where they probably should not be.

Iraq was not a legimate target. I agree with you here, and always have. However I don't think that the US populace is brain washed. Or at least the brain washing is wearing off. Nobody is getting away with drawing a link between Iraq and Al Quaida. Dick Cheney hasn't come out of his hole in a few weeks, probably because the sight of him scares people away from voting booths. Rumsfeld is under pretty intense criticism. Condi just got tarred by Woodwards new book, which says that George Tenet did everything except hold a gun to her head to get her to act before 9/11. The truth leaks out, sometimes slower than we like but it is getting out.

Michael Moore raised the oil pipeline question in his last documentary. The theory is plausible, but not widely believed. Once again, that would require the ability to plan in advance, which the current adminstration doesn't do very well.

The November elections are going to be very fun to watch.
 
The truth will be out in 50 or more years when all the major players have passed away (to protect them from prosecution or embarasment).

Iraq is not black and white to me. We had sanction imposed on that country that were killing many babies and elderly every year and were not hurting Sadam in the least, something had to be done sooner or later (leave him alone or take him out). The problem most people have today is they do not think things out farther then a few steps, so they tend to make a bigger mess of things.

I do think the people in the US are to blame for alot of the problems here. We elected idiots into power twice, gladly gave up our basic rights for safety that cannot be ensured, and watched as young kids get killed on both sides while going on as usual at home. The country of bible thumpers is morally corrupt, out elected official are moraly corrupt, and sooner or later our over indulgance in things we do not use will financialy destroy us.
 
What is becoming clear is that no matter what your power, you cannot simply impose your will on a country's people. A lesson that should have been learned in Viet-Nam.

Since when has the US learned from screwing up?
LOL, the Bush administration is so stupid and greedy, they wouldn't care if 500,000 people died, as long as they make money, and blindly ignorant people support them they are happy.
Hopefully this Republican sex scandal thing is just the wedge democrats need to take office and perhaps make changes for the better.
One can only hope however, but nice post nonetheless Lawrence.

Alex

Oh, for the record, "we" did not vote for the idiots, "they"(being conservative christians) did. I voted for John Kerry in the first election I was old enough to vote in.
I want Bill Clinton back, but we can't have it all. I would certainly vote for Hillary Clinton as well.
I will vote for anyone not running as a conservative that supports corrupt foreign policy.
 
When I tried selling cars, the major thing I didn't like about the job was how easy it is to lead people around by the nose. Everyone talks about freewill, figure out how the weird cons (I feel the power of Jjeeeezus) on TV manage to rake in millions every month. We are all more sheep than we like to believe.


(Boy, bet I get more hate mail than you do :rolleyes: )
 
I did some research on the proposed Trans-Afghanistan pipeline about a year ago, but since I change computers regularly I wasn't able to find the folder which had a history of the proposal and a BP-Unocol alliance to achieve it, involving ongoing negotiations with the Taliban. It was to run from Uzbekistan(?) down to the Persian Gulf.

Here are some URLs including an extremely cynical interview with the US presidential advisor Brezinski(sp)
who basicly replaced Kissinger, that I found with a "trans-Afghanistan pipeline unocal" search . I'm sure I could have found my more relevent article had I gone thru all the URLs , but this gives an indication of the strategic importance the US places on this.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=MEN20050429&articleId=181

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20060726&articleId=2824

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code= EN20051219&articleId=1562


The oil and who controls and gets it is very much at the top of the higher US strategic agenda. It concerns us here in Canada because the Alberta Oil Sands Project is very important to the US despite the major environmental impact it will have on our country and possibly North America.

Venezuela and the Guinean Gulf states are likely also targets in the coming years. Dubya and his administration may be dumb but the oil companies that have their ear aren't.

Lawrence
 
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Just for the record, NO ONE should be getting hate mail from this forum. If you get hate mail for speaking your mind, Please let one of us know, that's not going to be tolerated.

-VK
 
Oh boy I cannot wait for the next presidential election. Even though I know for certain my words will fall on deaf ears, I will be sure to rally for the Democratic candidate.

I only have to change the minds of 12% of Alabama to get us a democratic vote..^_^

Micom, I have a funny story for you.


I was at a fleamarket in wetumpka alabama, and of course fox news was on and o'reily fiction was on and o'really was talking about how unbiased fox news was. I laughed out loud.
Some super genious asked me "err ya one uv doze idiot liberals?"
I asked him in what sense he was asking this question in and he replied "pussy a** idiots" and I replied no and told him I do believe in people having civil liberties and I was a liberal in the sense I believe real freedom is something I believe in. He got all mad and started cussing me. I told him to go use a tapped phone and wave at the satellite cameras that are observing us.
So much entertainment.
 
I was at a fleamarket in wetumpka alabama, and of course fox news was on and o'reily fiction was on and o'really was talking about how unbiased fox news was. I laughed out loud.
Some super genious asked me "err ya one uv doze idiot liberals?"
I asked him in what sense he was asking this question in and he replied "pussy a** idiots" and I replied no and told him I do believe in people having civil liberties and I was a liberal in the sense I believe real freedom is something I believe in. He got all mad and started cussing me. I told him to go use a tapped phone and wave at the satellite cameras that are observing us.
So much entertainment.

My school is FILLED with people who have similar political opinions as the a-hole you mentioned. Most of the time, when in a political argument with one of them, I just get them so pissed because of my "buck fush" and other wild, crazy liberal ideas, that they just start insulting me. It fun
 
My school is FILLED with people who have similar political opinions as the a-hole you mentioned. Most of the time, when in a political argument with one of them, I just get them so pissed because of my "buck fush" and other wild, crazy liberal ideas, that they just start insulting me. It fun
Hehe, I know the feeling. They are even so uneducated, they get mad because they cannot conjure up a retort with an intelligent basis..
 
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