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    "Vintage" computers on eBay!

    A vintage OLPC XO1:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/12483341853...8AAOSwm7xhBfeG

    A vintage HP Mini 110:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/27496676930...4AAOSwGMthVLqO

    A vintage ThinkPad T61:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/14410309756...AAAOSwCVhg46Ml

    A vintage Dell XPS 140:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/26512150504...IAAOSwy~RgdGW0

    A RARE Core i5 Dell Inspiron:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/22345423996...Cclp%3A2334524
    Currently looking for: IBM PS/2 Model P70, Compaq Contura 3/25, Any Toshiba Libretto laptop from theLibretto 50CT up to the 110CT.

    #2
    Can you explain where the humor is? These are vintage from a technological standpoint, so..?

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      #3
      I suspect that this was posted in the wrong section.
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        #4
        Originally posted by Timo W. View Post
        Can you explain where the humor is? These are vintage from a technological standpoint, so..?
        I get that the definition of vintage is subjective, but by the forum's own definition they are certainly not.

        If you want to try to convince me that mere decade old netbooks are "vintage", go ahead and make your day. I guess I could see the argument for the ThinkPad and XPS 140, but I really don't consider any system running Windows 7 or newer as "vintage".

        But with that said, your guess is as good as mine as to why people consider me funny in real life. I always fail online.
        Currently looking for: IBM PS/2 Model P70, Compaq Contura 3/25, Any Toshiba Libretto laptop from theLibretto 50CT up to the 110CT.

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          #5
          They arent vintage.. They are just obsolete. And thier titles are by my subjective reasoning.. "STUPID".

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            #6
            Though, given the history of the platform, I can see that there might be some interest in the OLPC, but not from a vintage standpoint.

            I recall on VCF a time when 80486-based systems were considered to be too new to be "vintage".
            Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.

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              #7
              So whats going to happen one day when the folks who want to fix old 8 bit systems start getting pushed out by the intel p4 or newer crowd and that becomes the main focus of this forum?

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                #8
                Same thing that's happening now. You'll note that it's been suggested that P4 systems be included as "vintage".

                Adjectives can be a problem when there's no precise definition. "Vintage" in the strictest sense has nothing to do with age; it's the year of a wine's pressing (hence the stem "vin", as in "In vino veritas"). "Classic" means even less-- "judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind." That alone would let out much of the paraphernalia discussed here.

                "Antique" is perhaps closer to the target: "a collectible object such as a piece of furniture or work of art that has a high value because of its considerable age."

                The gotcha is "considerable". I have socks older than much of the gear described here, yet no one describes them as "antique".
                Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Chuck(G) View Post
                  Same thing that's happening now. You'll note that it's been suggested that P4 systems be included as "vintage".

                  Adjectives can be a problem when there's no precise definition. "Vintage" in the strictest sense has nothing to do with age; it's the year of a wine's pressing (hence the stem "vin", as in "In vino veritas"). "Classic" means even less-- "judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind." That alone would let out much of the paraphernalia discussed here.

                  "Antique" is perhaps closer to the target: "a collectible object such as a piece of furniture or work of art that has a high value because of its considerable age."

                  The gotcha is "considerable". I have socks older than much of the gear described here, yet no one describes them as "antique".
                  Yep I know. I made a similar comment earlier this year : https://www.vcfed.org/forum/forum/co...278#post979278

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                    #10
                    We were discussing this more than 10 years ago on this list. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. Maybe it's like "pornography"--I can't define it precisely, but I know it when I see it.
                    Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.

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                      #11
                      yeah I know. ITs ongoing. There is no answer. IT changes into something different whether we like it or not.

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                        #12
                        I can remember when "software" meant clothes and undergarments. I used to have to preface it with "computer". Now, the old meaning is completely lost.
                        Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                          So whats going to happen one day when the folks who want to fix old 8 bit systems start getting pushed out by the intel p4 or newer crowd and that becomes the main focus of this forum?
                          I remember using Amiga 2000(yes with Motorola 68000 on board) as my main computer in 1999, and even at beginning of XXI century. Most of people that I known considered it vintage then. This Forum if I understand well is not only about repairing 8 bits but other "vintage systems" as well. Despite I am Linux user, who will run Win 11 on 32 bit Pentium 4? Okay You can install Linux, but there is also a Linux or even as far as I remember quite modern some BSD for Amiga 68k. If there will be a section for modern Pentiums , You can just don't use it and focus on 8 bits.

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                            #14
                            Relax. You misread me. I was talking about contrast. One side of the spectrum vs the other. I could have gone even earlier but the reference would not have made sense to some. I love Linux and running it on older stuff but I dont necessarily consider that vintage computing in my mind.

                            Again.. Contrast 8 bit vs crappy garbage machines someone feels nostalgic over... (didnt mean I forgot everything in the middle).
                            Last edited by VERAULT; October 13, 2021, 04:17 AM.

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                              #15
                              I consider something “vintage” by how old it actually is, not on my opinion or how I “feel” about that particular item. I’m confident there will still be people a decade from now arguing Pentium 4s “aren’t vintage” or “not that old.” Just because you don’t like something or think it’s crap has nothing to do with it being vintage or not.

                              For me, 15-years or older is vintage for a PC. I was calling my Pentium 1s vintage when they were 15, same as I do my Pentium 4s now. My 2003 Dell Inspiron 8200 is a Pentium 4M and it’s 18-years-old, it’s certainly a vintage laptop at this point, regardless how you feel about that particular laptop (I think it’s great). As I said, I consider it vintage based on actual age, not sentiment or personal feelings.
                              Compaq - It simply works better

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